the government is replete with waste and fraud. part of the culture, it's not just a spending cultures, it's a waste and fraud culture. you guys don't even look in your own backyard. >> i was the auditor general in pennsylvania for eight years, the watchdog. i rooted out a lot of waste and fraud. >> greta: do you agree with me? >> absolutely there is. it's been under democrats and republicans. >> greta: both. >> in order to build what we need to build -- >> greta: why don't you start there? show good faith to the american people that you really car. >> the gao almost every couple of years have produced a report that said we could save between $100 billion and $200 billion. let's say it with a off. >> greta: i have that report on my desk. every single year you ignore it except for senator tom coburn. >> shame on both parties. >> greta: i'm not kidding. it's disgraceful. >> you need income from upper income folks, but you have to root out waste and fraud, you have to grow the economy, and over time we can come together. i know we can